I’m not sure how well this interview translates on paper… My grandparents were visiting and so they chime in once or twice, and my parents have lots of inside jokes that I don’t even get. Plus they were just talking to me, so they make references to people and things I know, but that you probably don’t. I’ll try to make it as understandable as possible for you, but I want you to know that I got a lot out of interviewing my parents. I learned a lot, not only about U.S. history, but about my family history as well. Oh, and I should mention that my parents were really tired, so you can kind of see that in some of their responses.

Well, I hope you like it.

1. Did you and/or your parents watch the televised presidential debates between Nixon and Kennedy in 1960? How did the fact that the debates were televised effect the election? How does it effect elections today?

Ben: No, I was 6. I don’t really remember.

Donna: No I did not watch them, I was 1. I learned in film class about how Nixon wore a white shirt and that Kennedy wore blue, which looked better on film so Nixon looked all scruffy and like he had a 5 ‘o clock shadow and Kennedy looked well groomed so people liked him more. It was the first time you saw people instead of just hearing them, so people were making their decisions on appearances instead of the content of their campaign.

Grandma: Kennedy won ‘cause he was better looking. He had a more charismatic personality.

Grandpa: It was the first time anyone worried about the president being cute. But he turned out to be one of the great presidents of my lifetime.

Grandma: That’s debatable. Haha…

2. Was your school integrated? Was integration met with resistance in your town?

Ben: Mine was, it was actually one third black, there weren’t Mexicans in those days though, not in Jersey. There was a race riot directly after King was assassinated, because it kind of spilled over from the city, Trenton rioted; the city was burnt down…

Donna: The town was segregated. The school wasn’t really though; there were some black kids in my school. There were race riots in my town too.

3. Did you see the news reports on the civil rights movement? How did the violence and events of the civil rights movement affect your life/family/neighborhood/town?

Ben: Yeah, some. My first real memory is when King was assassinated, but I don’t really remember much before that. In my school the black kids got along with the white kids cause they sold them dope, haha... My friend Jim got hit in the head with a pipe on the day there was the race riot though. I decided to skip school that day… Everyone was kind of tense because of what was going on in Trenton, the black kids and white kids just started beating each other up. Friends told me I really missed a big day at school.

Donna: I was extremely sheltered as a child. But my parents started telling me not to repeat the things that my grandparents said. That was one thing that even as a kid I realized, that my parents were different from my grandparents, and they thought that it [racism] was wrong. I remember one time I went to a restaurant with my grandma and there was a black woman there, and I knew that she was just a woman there to eat like us, but my grandma just assumed she was there to serve us. It was very embarrassing.

4. Where were you when you heard Dr. Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream speech…”? What did you think about it?

Ben: I don’t remember where I was when I first heard it but every time I’ve heard it I’ve been inspired. After he died I had the chance to hear Coretta Scott King speak at an anti-war rally, Pete Seeger performed before she spoke, haha... She was speaking at that rally because she said had her husband survived, he would have spoken; he had become an adamant protester of the war.

Donna; I heard it later, in High School. My American history teacher made us listen to in in 1975 or so. It’s awesome.

5. Were you involved in the Vietnam anti-war movement?

Ben: Yes, haha... I went to several different rallies. I went to one in New York and I went to one that was the biggest one, in DC, more people were arrested there than anyone to date, May Day. (He was arrested that weekend.)

Donna: No. I was against it though, I didn’t believe in the war and I remember listening to the radio when it ended. I think I was about 14.

6. What was it like living in the height of the Cold War?

Ben: Ahh... I just remember the drills for a bomb, nuclear bomb or something; we had to get under the desks. I don’t know how our desks were gonna save us. They always told us “DON’T LOOK AT THE LIGHT!” too, it was crazy.

Donna: I thought it was scary because we read the book Hiroshima in 8^th grade and I realized that a lot of people had the capacity to cause such a thing like that to happen. The escalation of nuclear missiles was scary.

7. What was living (in Florida) during the Cuban Missile Crisis like?

Ben: I just remember seeing it on the news I remember how tense everybody was cause they thought we were gonna go to war. I remember Kennedy saying he was gonna attack unless they disarmed their missiles, or something like that.

Donna: We did drills in school, pretty regularly, about protecting ourselves, crawling under our desks. I knew from my parents watching the news there was a lot of tension, at the same time there were a lot of Cuban people coming to Florida and so we all started getting Spanish lessons in the morning over the intercom after the pledge of allegiance. Because our teachers told us that Florida would be bi-lingual because so many Cuban people were moving in, and I still remember four phrases, haha…

8. What did you hear about Watergate and Nixon’s resignation? How did the scandal affect the nation?

Ben: I remember that it was in the news everyday and as it became more and more clear that Nixon was involved that people just didn’t trust him. And then that’s basically what happened; it just eroded the nation’s trust in the presidency

Donna: I remember Watergate really well. It was summer vacation in Florida at Aunt Gail’s same house she lives in now, and all the adults kept going inside to watch the congressional hearings and trials and it was all that they talked about the whole trip. So I remember it very well and how disillusioned and disappointed all the adults were. My brother and I though felt vindicated because we had previously argued with my parents during the election at dinner every night about them voting for and supporting Nixon and Rick [her brother] and I were for McGovern so it was the first time we could tell our parents “See?! We told you!” And we still like to bring it up today. Haha…

9. What kind of impact did the Roe v. Wade decision have on you, and on out nation?

Ben: My girlfriend got an abortion against my wishes. (That’s all he wanted to say about it.)

Donna: Girls in my school started going to New York to have abortions when they were made legal and we had an assembly where we were told that HOVAL [Hopewell Valley] girls did not have children before graduation. (Me: So they told you to get abortions?!) They didn’t say that in so many words, but they gave us information to go to Planned Parenthood and that’s where girls I knew got information on where to go in New York, and it was a huge thing, I’d never heard of abortion before that. It wasn’t as easy as they made it sound, though, it wasn’t just an easy solution to the problem, my friends were pretty upset and depressed afterwards. And that’s why I’m against it.

10. What do you remember about the presidency of James (Jimmy) Carter and his involvement in the Middle East?

Ben: He really tried to broker peace between the Israelis and basically Egypt cause they had just come off that war, the ‘67 war. So he was trying to be a peace maker. I voted for Reagan the second time…

Donna: I loved Jimmy Carter! I voted for him! In my first time to vote I voted for him. Even though he lost… I thought it was frustrating that Iran used the hostage crisis to keep him from being reelected. (Me: What was that all about? I don’t get it.) Because he had such an impressive peace making record with Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin between Egypt and Israel so they basically wanted him out of office. There was the first extremist government in Iran. They took over, the first radical Islamic government. But I do also remember that mortgage rates were at 13% and that wasn’t good. And we had a gas crisis. Recession. The Arabs refused to sell us oil.

11. What was it like when the Soviet Union collapsed? How did it change things?

Ben: I don’t know how it changed things the Soviet Union was no longer looked at as a super power though.

Donna: It was good because it was the beginning of nuclear disarmament. It was bad because the Soviet Union broke up into a million little countries we had to learn the names of and it changed all the maps. I still don’t know all their names. (Ben: It was so much easier to say Russia, the USSR.) It ruined a good Beatles song... I was pretty much pregnant for the entire 80s. I was too busy poppin’ out Slabodas to remember much of it, I don’t know the music or the fashion. I just remember the attempted assassination of Reagan and Berlin Wall falling.

12. How has technology changed throughout your lifetime? Are the advances baffling?

Ben: What’s technology? Haha… I did have an 8 track (Donna: Whoa! My boy has an 8 track, he’s smokin’!). I remember when VCRs came out. First was BETA then was VHS ands then for a while there was both, BETA died out though, it was discontinued, they stopped makin’ it. Video cameras used to be huge, you had to rest them on your shoulder. Everyone was like CAMCORDERS! We thought the first cordless phones were pretty awesome. They maneuvered though doorways! Haha... Before we got the cordless phone in the store [my dad had a camera store] we got this like forty foot long cord so we could walk all over the store (Donna: We had one at home too) we thought that was pretty awesome (Donna: Yeah it was good idea.) we could talk anywhere! (Donna: You could go outside with it man!) You could close the door! (Donna: Hippies and technology, they just don’t mix, haha.. You should talk about how cameras have changed so much, it is your field.) Yeah nobody talks about film now... you can’t even get some films now, it’s ridiculous.

Donna: Yes, it is baffling. When I was a kid my dad took me to work at RCA where he was a computer systems analyst and one computer filled an entire warehouse! I don’t understand it [technology], I use it, but I can’t wrap my mind around it... We had the first color TV on my block 'cause my dad worked for RCA... When I was in high school a calculator that you could hold in your hand was a big deal and only one kid had one. My dad brought home one of the first calculators and said “don’t touch it!” It was very expensive and I would say within three years you could buy one at the grocery store and he [her dad] was blown away. But my dad used to tell me that one day everyone would have a computer in their house, and he was right! Our cars have computer chips in them now! Ya know little VW bugs and buses didn’t have computer chips in them before... [Those are cars my parents used to have]

13. How did the Clinton scandal make you feel and how did it affect the nation?

Ben: I just didn’t wanna hear about it, it was disgraceful. Well, he lied, and he covered it up. I think he did a lot more things that were not good then were good, just because the economy was good doesn't fix everything else.

Donna: It was just nasty, I didn’t wanna hear about it either. It corrupted the definition of intimacy. Well, he said he didn’t really lie cause he said it wasn’t really sex and now 8^th graders can think that that’s not really having sex and they contract diseases. I blame that on him, it brought it into the public discourse. I like other things that he did but I don’t like that, but I mean that adoption tax credit was pretty handy… Haha…

14. In light of the 2000 election, what is your opinion on the Electoral College?

Ben: We’re against it! The way I feel is that the popular vote should decide who becomes president, not the Electoral College. I might as well not vote…

Donna: I agree. We’re against it!

15. How were you affected by the events that took place on 9/11? What do you think about the subsequent invasion of territories in the Middle East, and the War on Terror?

Ben: Everything changed on 911 because we were attacked on our own soil and innocent people lost their lives. The thing that was really different is that it wasn’t soldiers against other soldiers; it was terriost killing innocent people at work. I never thought that we should have invaded Iraq. I thought the invasion of Afghanistan to go after the terrorists who attacked on 911 was justified. After we invaded Iraq, I felt like we were lied to.

Donna: I saw in that moment, and you saw it with me [I was sitting on the couch doing math with my mom when the reports started to come in, we both saw the second plane hit and the buildings fall, in real time], that the world would never be the same for my kids as it had been for me... I never, and I mean never, capital letters, NEVER believed that this war had anything to do with 911. I thought they were lying, I never believed them in the first place. I kept saying all those documents were false. I knew they were lying…

THE END

Wordplay

Grandiose
Industrious
Laborious
Diverse
Efficient
Dangerous

Ambitious
Glamorous
Extravagant -or- Economic (I couldn't decide)

For some reason I thought we were supposed to use all adjectives...

Ch-ch-changes...

To say that people only change after something bad happens, would kind of sell people short I think. Hopefully people can change before a catastrophe strikes, but I guess a lot of the time they don't. If you look at our current environmental crisis, and how it seems like the nation is slow to react, you might think that people aren't going to change before things start to get worse. I would just like to give people more credit than that, despite evidence to the contrary. People are trying to change though, mainly it's a lot of big businesses that are refusing to take the initiative and be more eco-friendly and efficient. The technology is there in a lot of instances, but the will is not. Although some people change, and are changing, there are still so many that are staying the same and that might never change. So I guess in a lot of cases, the saying is true, let's just hope it's not.

Freedom is seldom found, by beating someone to the ground.

I think I have more of an isolationist's view toward things. I don't think its right that the United States is so heavily involved in other countries affairs. I just think that there are so many other things the U.S. could be doing instead of waging war. Instead of invading Iraq, why couldn't we provide relief in Africa? Instead of attempting to defeat communism in Vietnam by way of war, why couldn't we have focused on our own problems and strengthened democracy in America? There's an old story I think the U.S. could learn from, it's about trying to take a splinter out of your neighbor's eye when there's a plank sticking out of your own eye. America seems so fixated on the way people are living in other countries, when maybe if we focused our efforts on how things are here, we could solve some really big problems. A lot of the time it seems like the help America provides other countries actually ends up hurting them more than if we had never gotten involved. It seems like the U.S. wants to control everything, we force people into democracy whether they like it or not. War is not the answer, and there are other things we could do instead that I think would be more beneficial for everyone. We could focus on ourselves some, and help those who ask and who need; instead of busting into places we're not wanted, guns blazing, and promising freedom.

Don't try to tell me what to do.

Who am I to say how someone should live their life? Personally, I really hate being told what to do or how to live, so I imagine other people feel the same. Unless someone is being harmed somehow it's really no place for me to butt in. I have limited life experience and by no means do I think I've made all the right decisions through the years, I can only do my best, and that is all I can expect of anyone else. I also think that there is a huge difference between helping and butting in. By all means, help whoever wants help, but when you forcefully "help" someone who never asked you to, you cross a line. I'm all for giving advice and help where I can when I friend or someone asks, but I don't go around offering my opinion about how people should be living, I think if I did I would be very unlikable. As always there are exceptions; if I saw a friend or someone who could not help themselves in dire straits, I would be compelled to help. It's a tough question to answer, especially without a specific example, but I tend to lean toward minding my own business.

Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous

I don't envy rich people, I think being wealthy would be a really big responsibility. No, I don't aspire for riches, I would rather just be able to live comfortably. Money doesn't really make you happy and sometimes it can make you very unhappy. It's said that money is not the root of all evil, rather that the love of money is. I try to just take money for what it is; it can enable you to have a lot of fun, but there are so many other things that make me happier.
I have known a few wealthy people throughout my life though. Back in New Mexico I knew a family that was living very humbly in a small house behind their open air produce market, but the wife's parents passed away and left them a very large house in the Ruidoso Downs area (which is the nice area of town) and an inheritance. They had a big family and they also had adopted children (thats how our families became friends), but what I think is really cool about them is that after they got the house and the money, they lived more or less the same as they always had. I think the only thing that changed is that they wore nicer clothes.
My grandparents both were kids during the Great Depression and their families had very little money, but now they're the retired former owners of a software company and have plenty of money. Although they do allow themselves some luxuries (my grandpa has a new Lexus and they have a condo in FL), my grandpa invests a lot of their money and they are active in charities that benefit special needs and retarded adults.
I can't begin to think of what I would do if I was rich and I don't think it's my place to tell anybody how to spend their money. I can imagine that spending your money on luxury could be more tempting than giving it away, but I think there is a happy medium.

Put up your dukes, lets get down to it!

I'm really a passive person (despite the post title), I don't like to waste my energy on being angry with people. Of course, I'm no saint, I get angry like anybody else, I just refrain from acting on my anger as much as possible. Even when I do get involved in an argument I usually just view it as a heated debate or discussion. So the only fight I could think of was something that happened a long time ago between me and my older brother. My parents were gone (of course) and Levi, my brother, had a friend over. Levi and his friend were in the study on the computer and I was also in the study on the couch reading a book. Well I guess my presence was a nuisance, and Levi told me to leave and go read somewhere else, but I didn't want to leave and thus, we started fighting. Eventually the fight escalated to my brother pushing me out of the study by force. I fell into an antique cabinet and broke the doors off the hinges. After that I went to my room and waited for my mom to get home. We both got in trouble for fighting and for breaking furniture. I don't really remember, but I can't imagine that I was mad at him longer than the day. Me and my brother fought a lot when we were younger, even though we played together nearly everyday. Now me and my brother get along fine, since we grew up together we know a lot about each other and how to make the other laugh. I don't stay angry long and I think it would take a not for me to think someone was unforgivable.

Grrrrrrrrrowing, we do it everyday!

It's hard to think of anything more tumultuous or unavoidable than growing up. It's something everyone has to do, with the exclusion of Peter Pan, of course. Growing up can be hard. As a child you make very few of your own decisions, and you just have to deal with what's thrown your way. This can be frustrating, as some of the decisions made by others can directly affect your own life, and can seem cruel or unfair. On the other hand, though, growing up can be the most exciting thing ever. When you're a kid, everything is new, unknown, and ready to be explored. You learn, see, and experience new things constantly. As you grow and learn, you get to do more and more new things. Not all experiences that people go though as they grow up are more exciting than scary. Terrible things can happen as you go through your life, but they help make you the person that you are, just as the happy and exciting things do.

Lies.

This was (in my opinion), by far, the most interesting document of the ones we that we had to choose from. I mean, what's cooler than a spy? I guess in this case the spying going on wasn't so cool, seeing as Benedict Arnold was spying for the British. It was still very interesting though. One of the letters I read was all about how much Benedict Arnold was supposed to get paid for being a spy and the other was full of information about the American troops and their locations. I learned that the code systems used during those times were really very complex. The letters were made up mostly of numbers which referred to the page, line, and word counts for a pre-determined book that the decoder used to fill in the blanks in the message. I was surprised that Benedict Arnold literally just sold out the nation that he started out fighting for. If he had been successful it would have a been a devastating blow to the American quest for freedom. Luckily he was found out and exposed for the traitor he was.

Thinkin' 'bout the government.

The purposes of a good government should be to protect its people, to strive for peace, to provide for its people, to defend the nation, and, above all, to protect the rights and the freedom of its people.
I would most certainly join a revolution against the government if it was not fulfilling its duties. I believe that everyone has the right to live in a place where they are safe and have the ability to prosper and what kind of person would I be if I didn't stand up for what I believe in? I have a profound sense of justice and hate to see things go on in an unfair fashion so I would have no problem fighting the good fight for fairness and equality.

Love, honor, and OBEY?!

As you might have guessed by my title, I read A Well Ordered Family by Benjamen Wadsworth. This instructional essay gave me a glimpse into what Puritan family life was like back in 1712. From what I read it seemed like family life was very structured and almost like a miniature form of government. With all the rules husbands and wives were meant to follow back then I can imagine there were quite a few silently discontent marriages... That's not to say that everyone was married to some person they didn't like, but with this sort of system in place it's easy to see how many people could end up unhappily married or ill matched. I think I was most surprised by the fact that the parents were arranging their children's marriages. I guess I just thought that arranged marriages weren't around during the colonial times. A lot of the rules and guidelines weren't too outlandish, but I can be kind of obstinate, so the thought of having to obey my husband (whoever he turns out to be) just makes me want to rebel. Most of what I read wasn't very shocking though, just because I've studied this time period before and have learned about how the attitudes toward women were less than favorable. Thankfully things are very different nowadays! There was a whole women's rights movement and now women are pretty much considered equals with men. Probably even more lucky is that our parents aren't setting up our marriages anymore. I'm sure most parents would attempt to find their children suitable matches, but there's no substitute for love.

Why won't you come over here?

I think people want to immigrate to America because, as our national anthem says, it's the land of the free and the home of the brave. America has long been proclaimed the land of opportunity. Whether or not the U.S. holds true to the hype is subjective, but if you're living in an impoverished country and you've heard America is the place to prosper, wouldn't you want to go? America has also been tagged as a nation of freedom and equality, so theres a feeling that if you immigrated you would be excepted here, after all the United States was built by immigrants. With all these well versed compliments for the United States all it would take is an unmet need in the place you are now, and moving to America would seem like a marvelous idea.

part deux

Whether or not I would pack up and leave my home for a new country for freedom or finances is kind of hard to answer. Poverty can take away your freedom better than most things and freedom doesn't always mean prosperity and/or security. Because of this I think it would have to be a combination of both, freedom and the ability to prosper. Freedom without money or money without freedom? It'd be hard to live either way. I think if I had to choose though, I would choose freedom over money, because in the end that's what I think is more important.